before you do something please ask yourself “is this something that steve rogers would do” and if it isn’t, don’t do it
i’m gonna fist fight someone in an alley
that’s the spirit!
*sees bucky included in a gifset with villians*
Anonymous said: I was wondering what you meant by the comment on the old comic panel that you posted with the caption 'A Last Blast Against Misinformation Considering the History of the Word “Punk”'? I've looked up the definitions (albeit in online dictionaries) and have found both meanings listed, but I'm sure you know better than me. Is the "twink-equivalent" definition that people tend to get worked up over largely inaccurate?
So far as I can tell, “punk” has never been synonymous with “twink.” Within male prison subculture, it was historically used to refer to the effeminate member of a homosexual relationship— so it’s probably closer to “bitch,” in that sense, as in “prison bitch.” However, outside of that particular subculture, it retained its mainstream meanings of “bad” (“feeling punk”) or, way more commonly, “kid.” In the early 20th century, circuses and carnivals would advertise children’s days as “punk days,” and— as you can see from that 1942 Captain America comic— “punk” was widely used to emphasize the youth or inexperience of boys/young men. (It was also, in a more technical sense, used to refer to stuff that started fires.)
A good fast-and-dirty way to get a sense of how a word was being used at a particular time is to search a corpus (say, Google Books) for a particular time period, and pay attention to the different contexts in which the word occurs. Obviously it’s not perfect— people didn’t always talk how they wrote, even in fiction— but it’s a starting point?
HOWEVER: you should never assume that someone knows better than you; you should always double-check their work!
It did have a little bit wider circulation as a “queer” term than just prison—during the Depression it became the term for someone who was young, probably a teenager, who was in a usually sexual relationship with an older man referred to as a “wolf” who provided the younger guy with guidance, protection, money, etc. It would’ve probably been familiar as a term to anyone who had contact with working-class queer culture in NYC, or anyone with hobo connections. But it still retained the other, non-queer meanings you described outside of it.
How people got to think it was the oldtime equivalent of “twink,” I have no idea, because that’s just not at all what it is. It’s more like…I dunno, is there a word for the person who has a sugar daddy? It’s kinda like that.
Reblogging for more info!
eta: It’s probably useful to think of the meaning-cluster of the word as having to do with “boy,” in the sense that we still understand the word “boy” as usually meaning a young person, but potentially also being a demeaning or sexually descriptive word (depending on context).
#the great punk debate of 2014
important fandom issues of our time
Anonymous said: can i be educated as to why his characterization was wrong?
- "We have orders. We should follow them." Steve. Steve Rogers. Steve "well looks like I have to go behind enemy lines to go save my best friend and company and you can’t tell me otherwise" Rogers. Steve "sixth time is the charm at the carnival recruiting office" Rogers. I’m not buying it, Joss.
- "I get that reference." We all know that Steve was under ice for 70 years, thus he missed a lot. He keeps a notebook of things he should look up, sure, but for him to be like HEY EVERYONE THE OLD GUY GOT THIS doesn’t strike me as believable. It seems like a shoddy shot at comic relief at Steve’s expense. Steve Rogers is the guy who takes the confused look on someone’s face and explains the reference to them, not the guy who points out that he understood it.
- "We need a plan of attack!" because jumping out of an airplane before you get to your destination, while being fired at, and trying to single handedly complete a rescue mission with a handgun and a metal shield is definitely backing this line of thought up.
- “Let’s start with that stick of his. It may be magical…" "is that what just happened" and "seems to be powered by some sort of electricity" remind me of painting Steve as the naive, less intelligent younger brother that everyone gets tired of explaining everything thing to. Steve has a vocabulary. Steve Rogers grew up with electricity. He knows what it is. Steve Rogers also could have just said that it worked like the Hydra weapon, except there are these unnecessary comments to make Steve seem less than everyone else. I hate that whole scene.
- "What’s the matter? afraid of a little lightning?" since when does Steve mock other people like that? Sure, he was smarmy towards the Red Skull ("Nothin’. I’m just a kid from Brooklyn" "So why are you running?") but they’re retaliations. He doesn’t start that sort of thing. That’s Tony’s job.
- The whole “there’s only one God, ma’am” thing. It just seems so proper and Steve isn’t really proper or good with women, especially ones he’s just met. He doesn’t call Peggy ma’am when he’s conversing with her, he fumbles over “dame, woman, agent.” He also doesn’t seem the kind to bring God into things, even when Schmidt was “harnessing the power of the gods.” The whole line/situation irked me, and that just might be more subjective than objective, so you can ignore this point if you think it has too much fallacy in it.
- Steve always comes up one quip short with Tony. Continually. That might just be a nit-picky thing, but I don’t like it. Smart-mouthed Steve Rogers doesn’t keep playing into somebody’s hand the way he does with Tony. Steve is used to bantering with people- with Bucky, with the people who beat him up - he doesn’t back down with “one more wisecrack out of you” or any of that.
If you like Whedon’s characterization of Steve, that’s fine. You are welcome to your opinion, just as I am to mine. I wouldn’t say his characterization is poor more than it is wrong.
Steve Rogers, bisexual icon from the 50s onward-
The yellowed-with-age letters preserved at the Smithsonian (much to Steve’s embarassment) express a powerful sensuality towards men and women-
and especially touching are his correspondences with young people writing to Captain America for advice and to express admiration- a good number come from young queer kids with no one else to turn to for advice, asking for reassurance from a symbol of heroism.
Queer scholars for decades speculating about the likely homosexuality of Captain Steve Rogers from his letters and his biography- (as well as the collected letters of his friends and fellow soldiers)
Contentious scholarship rising up arguing about the controversial subject of the sexuality of Captain America and the nature of his relationship with James Buchanan Barnes-
Conservative scholars and pundits bewailing how the liberals want to pervert a national icon for their liberal agenda-
Queer people finding the Collected Letters of Steve Rogers in their library and being blown away- how did no one mention Captain America was gay? Wait wait, people think he’s straight? How do people miss this??
And queer teens buying the book used, coverless, and keeping it with them to read when they feel alone-
dog-eared pages for the correspondence between Steve and Bucky—- heart squeezing when they think about how they must have felt about eachother
Scholars and pundits all creaming themselves when Steve comes back to life- everyone wanting him to represent for their cause…
Paparazzi taking photos of him and Nat, of him and Sam- tabloid journals making insinuating references
And Steve getting asked on some TV interview if he can comment on the rumors about him and Sharon Carter and speculation that he’s ”OTHERWISE INCLINED lolol-“ (the interviewer looks smarmy and fully expecting Steve to vehemently deny such SLANDER—)
And Steve brightly (and somewhat agressively) says that he’s actually very happily in a relationship with Sam Wilson, aka Falcon, though he considers himself bisexual
And Steve and Sam getting interviewed in OUT and the Advocate-
and eloquently articulating the need for lgbtqia role models and why it was important for him to be open about his relationship and loud about asserting that he is BIsexual-
Ahhh Steve Rogers bisexual icon
Sam/Steve rec: The Road Toward
*waves rec* This story seems to have been accidentally skipped by the freebird feed, and it’s awesome! A really lovely slow build story with a great Sam POV. <3
Fandom: Captain America (Movies)
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Steve Rogers/Sam Wilson
Characters: Sam Wilson (Marvel), Steve Rogers, Bucky Barnes
Additional Tags: Slow Build, Banter, Flirting, Past Riley/Sam Wilson, Past Peggy Carter/Steve Rogers
It’d gone like this: Steve Rogers approached Sam on the National Mall and then Steve approached Sam at the VA and then Steve kissed Sam. And then two days later, Steve Rogers approached Sam again, knocked at Sam’s back door with Natasha Romanoff at his side and asked for Sam’s help. And since then… well, Sam’s – let’s just put it this way: no one would be surprised to hear Sam say that it wasn’t really how he’d imagined the last few weeks going is all. Signing on to help Captain America, getting back in the sky after all that time, standing at Steve’s side as Steve’s world started to crumble and collapse around him, and then helping Steve bring down SHIELD, saving the world like Sam Wilson was some kind of freakin’ superhero. And then, after all that, then nearly losing Steve just a few days after they first met.
"I’ve had to put up with a lot?" Sam repeated, crossed his arms over his chest, smiling. “Yeah, I guess that’s one way to describe the last week.”